Let's stop for a minute and think about the dorje shugden issue from a different perspective.

Let's consider our own karma for a minute...

A few points:

1) If you believe in karma, then believe that if DS was really that bad and doing his practice was really that bad, then DS followers would have to reap their own karma.

It puzzles me that people get so angry and hateful towards DS practitioners but if the practice was really as EVVVVVILLLLL and HARRRMMMMFUL as it is said, then just believe that the practitioners will have to suffer their own karma if they wish to continue the practice. Why does it matter to you if they practice or not? They will suffer their own karma, whatever they do in life and whatever them practice is, so just leave them to it!

2) I wonder why people get so worried about DS harming Dalai Lama's life. in the first place, DOES DALAI LAMA - who is the emanation of AVALOKITESHVARA - HAVE THE KARMA TO BE HARMED?! You believe that he is an emanation of a Buddha but you also believe that he can be harmed by a spirit?!

Does that mean you believe that this spirit has more power than Dalai Lama who is Avalokiteshvara, a Buddha?? Does that mean you believe that Dalai Lama still has the karma to be harmed, just like every other schmuck in samsara?

3) If DS practice is harmful and is very evil and causes great damage to practitioners, then why is it that so many highly esteemed and great practitioners - such as Zong rinpoche, Lama Zopa, Lama Yeshe, Trijang Rinpoche - all reincarnated back? And their unmistaken reincarnations were recognised by His Holiness the Dalai Lama!!!! If doing the practice is so evil and bad, then wouldn't they have created terrible negative karma and be reborn in one of the 3 lower realms? Why are they back in perfectly good lives to practice dharma again???

Using the argument that DS is harmful to launch criticism and attacks on DS practitioner is so illogical and, actually, quite pointless because at the end of the day, we all face our own karma don't we? So no matter how much you say, a DS practitioner faces his own karma on his deathbed, and so do you.

Fluffy (cute icon btw). Thanks for your sharing and I agree with you mostly.

i fully believe in karma. So i believe that if the Dalai Lama is a good person, he will receive good karma for that. If he is not a good person, he will receive the negative karma for that.

Nobody needs to accumulate bad karma ourselves by thinking negatively about the Dalai Lama or anyone else. Dorje Shugden has said that we should not criticise the Dalai Lama so as a Shugden practitioner, i shall not.

As Buddhists, whether pro-Shugden or anti-Shugden, shouldn't we all abide in equanimity, free from bias, attachment and anger?

Om Mani Padme Hung

Dear Fluffyredtoy and Wisdom Being,

Thank you for both your comments about karma and how people are viewing this whole Dorje Shugden issue. I really could not agree with both of you more. I have been reading both websites (antishugden.com and dorjeshugden.com)and many a times I come to the conclusion "What is all this bitter bickering about? And how illogical it is to blame the Dalai Lama?"

You're right to state that Dalai Lama is no regular schmuck in samsara who is oblivious to the cause and effect of his actions. I strongly believe that there is something much deeper that is happening, which is beyond us lay people to understand. All I know is that I have grown to be "addicted" to this DS practice simply by the debate that is going on. So, bad publicity sells. I guess then I should be grateful for the anti-shugden activists.